Jennifer Aniston On Angelina Jolie

Jennifer Aniston On Angelina Jolie

"What Angelina did was very uncool."

-Jennifer Aniston on Angelina Jolie in an upcoming issue of Vogue.

 

And there you have it folks.  Really, what is Jennifer supposed to say?  I think it's great that my marriage fell apart under suspicions of cheating? And get ready because the rest of the interview is supposedly pretty juicy too.  Jen dishes on her love life, sex life, the divorce, her career, and pretty much anything else you can think of...surprising after how private she's been for all these years.



COMMENTS...

<a href="/user/5761" title="View user profile.">ito</a>
5355 points
ito said:

can't wait to read this...

<a href="/user/46" title="View user profile.">Nanea</a>
14395 points
Nanea said:

And what about Brad? Or her? Last time I looked there are two people in a marriage. While Angie is not my type, she doesn't come across as quite as dumb as Jennifer.

narnia narnia said:

Jennifer was the one who remained faithful...and with Angelina's past EVERYBODY knows she's a seductress.

hatuh hatuh said:

Maybe the interviewer didn't ask her about him. She was probably responding to a specific question.

<a href="/user/1529" title="View user profile.">C.Mo</a>
300 points
C.Mo said:

Well it was uncool, let sleeping dogs lie ya know. That's just one rumor that didn't need confirmed. Anyone who has seen that movie can tell they fell in love making it.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

...and that makes it OK? Let alone do it disrespectfully in the public eye? It is like your spouse falling in love in your industry / workplace w/ someone in another dept. in "front" of your office peers. Check what shoes you are in and what you are saying if this were you this happened to...Huh? Bet your response would be a wee bit different...

Anonymous Anonymous said:

My goodness-

Breaking up is very, very hard especially when the rumor was that your husband wanted children and then post breakup he went out and commenced purchasing 3rd world orphans and procreating like a rabid rabbit but holding on to bad feelings is much worse FOR HER.

luckymom987
300 points
luckymom987 said:

"Purchasing 3rd world orphans"? What a horrible way to describe international adoption.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Um, note the tone of the post, stop trying to cause trouble where there is none and purchase a sense of humor.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow Jennifer Aniston looks gorgeous in this picture.

<a href="/user/6150" title="View user profile.">Fashionsmashion</a>
300 points
Fashionsmashion said:

Amen to that.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What in the world did Angelina do? If anything - it was on Brad. He was the one attracted to someone else. Happens all the time. Obviously Jen was not his soulmate.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What in the world did Angelina do? If anything - it was on Brad. He was the one attracted to someone else. Happens all the time. Obviously Jen was not his soulmate.

Lynn Lynn said:

Soul Mate??? Give me a break. Marriage is hard work and we women who are trying to make our marriages work don't need homewrecking floozies out there making it harder by going after men they know are married.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Amen, sista.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't see how anyone could consider marrying someone who takes their marriage vows so lightly.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

She took advantage that another woman's marraige wasn't going great at the time. She wanted Brad and went for it. What in the world did Angelina do? Are you really that clueless?

<a href="/user/3012" title="View user profile.">Birdie Bird</a>
2220 points
Birdie Bird said:

Oh please... it's time to move on.
Yes, it's uncool, yes it's painful, but is it the only way she found to make people talk about her ? About her chaotic personal life and lack of successful movies ? Isn't that even more painful and so low-esteem-like to only talk about that, even years later ? Where is the pride ?

Jake Jake said:

I agree that she was saying it was very uncool for Jolie to talk about how she and Jennifer's husband at the time fell in love. And, I am sorry if Angelina can say "Brad and I fell in love with one another while his wife was sitting at home" then by all means Jennifer can say how uncool it is.

<a href="/user/397" title="View user profile.">momster</a>
12135 points
momster said:

That's what I thought she was talking about. Otherwise, she'd probably say ''what Brad did was uncool" dontcha think?

Jeff'sgirl Jeff'sgirl said:

Well put......its is time for her (MAniston) and everyone else to move on.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Exactly, i saw the movie and we can see and feel that they fell in love BOTH. Jennifer LOSER.
I dont think its cool to stay with someone you dont love anymore and dont find anything bad in falling in love... Angelina and Brad Pitt love affair is not unique and it can happen to anybody.

Come on people stop the hate Come on people stop the hate said:

even happen to you and who will be the LOSER then? Yah!!! watch your partner cause someone else out there is better than you and waiting for their moment....

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's fine not to stay with someone you don't love, and it's fine to fall in love, but to totally fall in love while you are still WITH someone you don't love at the same time? Publicly? And humiliating them? Why not just break up first? Ok, so Angelina got someone who will cheat publicly when he's not happy anymore, instead of being upfront and honest . Who's the REAL loser? I swear to Gawd you people are idiots.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's fine not to stay with someone you don't love, and it's fine to fall in love, but to totally fall in love while you are still WITH someone you don't love at the same time? Publicly? And humiliating them? Why not just break up first? Ok, so Angelina got someone who will cheat publicly when he's not happy anymore, instead of being upfront and honest . Who's the REAL loser? I swear to Gawd you people are idiots.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If you have a problem with your marriage, deal with it, either by working it out or ending it. THEN you can start up something else. To humilate someone publicly that way is just mean, and well, uncool.

<a href="/user/1687" title="View user profile.">papyrus</a>
9735 points
papyrus said:

I think Aniston meant it was uncool for Jolie to speak about the affair. Bratt was still Aniston's husband when these two met, no one knows if they were trying to work out their relationship. and for Jolie to come out and completely ignore the fact that he was a married man when they filmed the movie is really unappropiate. Im sure no woman wants to hear from the mistress mouth how they felt in lust... no matter how long its been, im sure the wound opens everytime the affair is mentioned.

<a href="/user/117" title="View user profile.">Sarah O.</a>
1935 points
Sarah O. said:

That's what I thought she meant.

Euncie Euncie said:

That's exactly what she meant. this snippet didn't include the actual question that Aniston was responding to.

<a href="/user/200" title="View user profile.">Jen.number2</a>
330 points
Jen.number2 said:

That's what I thought she meant.

DarkEmpress DarkEmpress said:

Diddo!

Angelina is starting to seem very vulgar. Im not impressed, she shouldn't have said anything.

Hentai Lover Hentai Lover said:

It's been 4 years and she's just NOW talking? looks like she really wants this movie of hers to do well, after all her other ones bombed I guess she's desperate now. Looks like she's unable to let go...poor thing.

vitro vitro said:

So the other 2 can talk but she can´t!!???And by the way why so negative to Jenifer??she hasn´t done anything at all ,she was the one been cheated on and left behind,hm let me guess you are still obsessing and braking your guy´s balls about his ex about the fact he happen to love someone else at one point and have sex with,right? They are plenty psyho women like that,even if they are with the guy for years,they still go nuts about the ex..can´t get over their ego that they are not unique,tell your guy i feel sorry for him,must be a hard dealing with a nut case obsessing and trashing the ex.

Tyra Tyra said:

OMG...she says one whole sentence about the situation and that means she's not letting go. Get real!

C. C. said:

Jen's talking because Angeho had to open her big ugly mouth again to tell us all how she fell in love on the set. The woman can't keep her mouth shut.

<a href="/user/492" title="View user profile.">Ali</a>
300 points
Ali said:

Maybe if she's willing to tell us how uncool Angelina's actions were, she'll also be willing to share why her husband was so willing to flock to greener pastures. We shall see.

mary mary said:

These comments about how Jennifer shouldn't complain because after all SHE wasn't the one who could hold onto her husband are strange. Why does everyone hate Jennifer Aniston so much because her husband left her for Angelina Jolie? I get the impression some people here think she deserved to be cheated on.

And why shouldn't she talk about it? She's been pretty mum for years about the subject. Everyone took her to task about the fact she said he was missing a sensativity chip and acts like the woman should be HAPPY he left her for a goddess like Angelina Jolie.

Jolie can't STOP talking about the affair. It may have been a while ago, but please, she brings it up whenever she has a movie to promote-"not a lot of kids get to see the movie their parents fell in love on"?? Please, the woman has no class.

I'm glad Jennifer Aniston is finally talking about it. Maybe it will bring us away from our disturbing obssession with Angelina as Mother Theresa.

Hentai Lover Hentai Lover said:

I hate that Aniston is portrayed as some poor victim 'oh the poor thing her husband cheated on her and wallked out' HA! PUHLEEZ do you morons really believe that Brad one day woke up and said "you know I don't think I want to be marry to you anymore". I'm pretty sure even you guys can agree that there was trouble in the marriage before Brad started working with Angie and decided to wander off. It's been very clear (to most of us anyway) that Brad wanted kids he mentioned it every chance/ interview he had... miss Aniston did NOT, it's that simple why can't you see Aniston is not the victim? she was responsible for her marriage's demise.

herpes lover2 herpes lover2 said:

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

to Herpes lover #1

That is hilarious... Yes please do take one. I agree with #2. And by the way maybe your partner will cheat on you and then you can rejoice all by yourself over the fact how you got burned. I am sure you wont feel anything. Given the fact how cold you are.

Hentai Lover Hentai Lover said:

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

relax hentai, herpes lover whatever itis. .... it is just a joke. my apologies .Dont call people morons if you can't stand it. this is an unbiased site. i suggest you pack on a few pounds for you shouldn't hate on others as you can't handle it yourself. got it? good!

Hentai Lover Hentai Lover said:

Um anyone read Anonymous? cause me no understand. :/

<a href="/user/3596" title="View user profile.">Ha</a>
2805 points
Ha said:

Guess what, Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are allowed to say whatever they want about the whole thing. They are the only ones involved and the only ones affected, regardless of what the loonies on either side of the issue say. I've never gotten the impression that JA has presented herself as a victim in any sense of the word; everything I've read to that end has been tabloid speculation or some no-name online trying to defend something they know nothing about. Guess what, to most of the people aware of the situation, that photoshoot they did after Mr. and Mrs. Smith DID indicate that he was missing a sensitivity chip. Who does that? What a freaking jerk. It certainly made me think much less of him as a result. It's HILARIOUS that you seem to have some "inside scoop" about what went down behind closed doors. Please, post the surveilance tape videos showing us how you know so concretely that responsibility lies soley on Jennifer Aniston's shoulders. Unbelievable.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Whatever. SO he hooked up with his co-star fully KNOWING that she'd purposely let him have kids within a few months? Is that your rationalization of the situation? Most people would think that they would have split first due to this "supposed" problem and he'd be available to date after the split. You don't just jump into bed with someone else based on the fact that you haven't had kids yet....give me a break!!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

i totally agree.

<a href="/user/3666" title="View user profile.">Leslie316</a>
300 points
Leslie316 said:

Okay.. seriously folks, I am embarrassed some of you would even post such idiotic views. Jennifer is right. Being a homewrecker is not cool... but, Jennifer has yet to publicly speak about their breakup until now. That is respectable. And, yes, Brad is to blame here also. But, come on. Imagine what it must be like to be married to someone so wonderful and then one day they fall in love with someone. I am sorry this happened to Jennifer and I'm shocked Angelina is "rubbing it in". Angelina may be a great actress and all, but her personal character shows her true demeanor.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well said, Leslie.

Ania Ania said:

She said they "Fell in Love" that DOESN'T mean they had an affair. People can fall IN LOVE without having sex. Brad wanted a family and he was very open about it while promoting his movie and if Jen didn't want to give that to him then he found someone that would. Jen and Brad were together for a long time and he found someone else. Happens all the time in the real world and that is part of life. I wouldn't blame Jolie for it, blame the man that left his wife and HIS marriage. We don't know what kind of problems Jen and Brad had. People need to back off of Jolie and see that they are happy together and that is all that matters to them. How does a womem steel someone's husband???? Please tell me I would LOVE to know.

mary mary said:

The woman was pregnant as the ink was drying on the divorce papers. Let's not pretend to be deliberately obtuse here...

She didn't *steal* anyone- people aren't candy, purses, or dollar bills. However, the fact that he can't shut is paramour up about their love affair's humble beginnings whenever she has a movie to promote speaks volumes about his backbone.

angelina "steel[s]" jen's man angelina "steel[s]" jen's man said:

Whatever... they made a connection be it emotionally or physically(btw- Ang never mentioned there wasn't any sex involved). Say your partner built a relationship with a co-worker based on how much easier it is to speak to someone else other than you. That person you love shares their most intimate feelings with someone they feel physically attractive to but- oh wait for it- they don't have an "affair".
And are you going to tell me that you are alright with that?

S-T-E-A-L!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I am so sure you'd say the exact same thing if it was YOUR husband and you. NOT.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So many clueless people in the world, so little time.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If your husband did it to you, would you ask this or would you just say it was acceptable?

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Angelina Jolie said she would never get involved with another woman's husband. I would say that "fell in love" constitutes "got involved.

fitgirl_7 fitgirl_7 said:

Mary--Very well put, I couldn't have said it better. I have always loved Brad and loved him and Jen together. Jen and Angie are both beautiful, successful women and I hope that everyone in this situation eventually move on and be happy.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Brad, Angie and Jennifer have all moved on. It's the posters on here who haven't.

<a href="/user/397" title="View user profile.">momster</a>
12135 points
momster said:

And I think this about sums it up.

Harper
725 points
Harper said:

What I find uncool is Angelina has no relationship with her father becasue he was unfaithful yet she did the same - its pointless of how far it went when Brad and Jennifer were married - he and Angelina started someting on the set of that movie that ended the relationship and the vow he took. Jennifer has been nothing but a picture of class through out and there is no reason for Angelina to talk about it now - everyone already knew. Her children will read one day and know where it all started and that daddy was married - to someone else.....

Callie
410 points
Callie said:

Actually, the fact he was unfaithful isnt responsible for their estrangement. They had a rocky relationship because of his infidelity, but it was when he told in an interview that she was crazy and needed to be medicated, etc that she cut ties with him. If my dad spoke that way about me to the press, I'd ditch him too. As for Jen and Brad, there was talk for a LONG time before that movie that things were going down hill. For all we know, they were separated when the movie was filmed. Doesnt make it ok in my opinion to hook up with someone else, but it does change the way I feel about it.

Hentai Lover Hentai Lover said:

Yeah they'll say something like 'dad you were married to that woman?' Damn good call mom is waaaaay hotter! and thanks to her we were born."

passingthru2 passingthru2 said:

I'm not a fan of either Jennifer or Angie, but I agree with Jen here. I think she was saying that Angelina talking about the affair recently was uncool. "Uncoo" is a rather trivial word to use to describe going after someone else's husband. I think she meant Angie should shut up now that it's done, quit talking about the circumstances of how they met and fell in love, and let sleeping dogs lie, and I agree wholeheartedly. Angie just uses that stuff for PR when she has a moving coming out, and I can see where it's upsetting to Jen to read about it all the time. Jennifer knows as well as anyone else that Angie didn't "make" Brad leave...he left because he wanted to, because he was not happy.

HATUH HATUH said:

She is right. It was way, way uncool. I'm glad she finally said something. I hope she doesn't go on and on in the interview, though. That would be disappointing. And uncool.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I firmly believe what goes around, comes around. One of these days, we'll be discussing Brad and Angie's breakup, and who cheated on who. Not that I hope that will happen, just sayin'.........

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jen is speaking out NOW because angelina just recently said she and brad fell in love making the movie. REgardless of the fact that she didnt exactly say "we had an affair", imagine what it must be like for jennifer to hear that. announced to the WHOLE WORLD. angelinas mouthing off a lot these days, some things are better kept private. i agree, the fact that she said it was VERY UNCOOL.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Of course we're all speculating here, since we don't know them personally, but it always seems that Angelina enjoys flaunting things. I remember when she "stole" (I don't know what other term to use for it) Billy Bob from Laura Dern, who he was engaged to. Next thing you know, they're at everey public event, flaunting their s*x life, wearing those ridiculous vials of blood, etc. I don't think she's ever been sorry for hurting anyone. And yes, I agree that she's a major hypocrite for not speaking to her dad. She of all people should know how it feels when a husband strays.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

She's not mad at her father b/c he cheated on her mother. She used his last name for years, she used his money for acting classes, and she used his connections to get into film.

She's mad at her father b/c he said she shouldn't be allowed to adopt Maddox b/c she's mentally ill. And he said so publicly- I think on E! or something.

If he hadn't done that, I'm sure we'd all be hearing his praises. She's such a phony. Beautiful, yes, but she seems totally fake.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"What Angelina did was very uncool." oooooh that oughta have angelina shaking in her boots LMAO!

Danity Donnaly Danity Donnaly said:

Hmmmm....I still think Brad has some 'splaining to do. HE'S the one who strayed.

<a href="/user/6150" title="View user profile.">Fashionsmashion</a>
300 points
Fashionsmashion said:

And he will stray again you can bet on it. He is really cozy with his co-star right now. I wonder if she can't wait to come to work everyday like Mangie did.

<a href="/user/260" title="View user profile.">xy mom</a>
7745 points
xy mom said:

"Uncool"? Understatement of the year!!!!

<a href="/user/3596" title="View user profile.">Ha</a>
2805 points
Ha said:

Wow, Jennifer Aniston spoke out publicly about Angelina Jolie and God hasn't struck her dead yet? Miracles DO happen. It's amazing how many people have lost a sense of empathy in regards to this situation. Even if their marriage was rocky when he set off to film Mr. & Mrs. Smith, doesn't mean that feelings were dead. Any decent person would have been more sensitive and would still try to be sensitive now. I think we know that Angelina herself thinks she can do no wrong; and why wouldn't she. People act as though that's the case every time her name comes up. Amazing.

<a href="/user/3596" title="View user profile.">Ha</a>
2805 points
Ha said:

You and I? Our relationships and break ups aren't splashed all over the news and the tabloids so we don't necessarily have to be as careful about what we say and do, but when you're the number one "most powerful" (gag) couple in the world, a little decorum might go a long way. Just sayin...

Anonymous Anonymous said:

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<a href="/user/3596" title="View user profile.">Ha</a>
2805 points
Ha said:

FYI - this link is NSFW.
Thanks for the warning.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Full Quote Is:

When first asked about Jolie, Aniston asked the reporter, Jonathan Van Meter, to turn off the tape recorder for a moment.

She did, however, want to go on the record about one thing: She said she was bothered that Jolie felt the need to recount a detailed timeline of exactly how she fell in love with Brad Pitt on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith. (Pitt was still married to Aniston at the time).

"There was stuff printed there that was definitely from a time when I was unaware that it was happening," Aniston said. "I felt those details were a little inappropriate to discuss."

Aniston then shook her head in disbelief.

"That stuff about how she couldn’t wait to get to work every day? That was really uncool," Aniston said.

Asked if she ever speaks to Pitt, Aniston said that they have exchanged "a few very kind hellos ... and congratulations on your babies."

She stressed that the two "had an amicable split ... The marriage didn't work out."

That is class! I always liked Angelina Jolie, but now, I just can't stand her. She makes decent films, but I really am tired of hearing about her & her 10,000 babies. I think that it is disgusting that she keeps speaking of the beginning of her relationship with Pitt. Good that they have a strong bond now, but why continue to point out the fact that they fell in love while he was still married. She may have never admitted to an affair, but an emotional affair can be as devastating as a physical affair.

I think that Jennifer Aniston is a class act. I do not think that this is a ploy for movie ratings. I think that she was irritated by Angelina Jolie's most recent comments, and decided to say something about it. She is entitled to that. I think Jolie could take a cue from Aniston, have some class, and just STOP talking about it! Pitt & Jolie complain about the invasiveness of the media, but then pimp their children out for money, and continually talk about their private lives!

<a href="/user/3596" title="View user profile.">Ha</a>
2805 points
Ha said:

It will never happen. The woman (AJ) has diahrea of the mouth. She loves the attention too much - despite what some may want to believe. There is just no reason to be that open about your personal life when you should be trying to protect it.

Anonymousxxx Anonymousxxx said:

Very well put!! Excellent post.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That is what I was trying to convey! I used to like Angelina Jolie because she was a good actress. But now, I can really not stand to hear her speak. I just think she has no class. I wish she would concentrate on movies & continue her charities!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

For Jen to use the word ''uncool'' for a whore who deliberately, calculatedly and with the means of voodoo seduced her husband and wrecked her marriage, then perpetuated a lie that she Jen chose her career over having children for her husband is definately an understatement and further shows that Jen is a classy lady!! I would use more fitting words than that and call a trashy home-wreaking whore, a trashy home-wreaking-whore. JEN DID NOT CHOSE HER CAEER OVER BIRTHING. SHE WAS PREGNANT DURING THE MARRIAGE AND MISCARRIED!! Brad himself refuted the lie that angie and her loonie bin started but no one including the tabs wants to listen, it was easier to blame the victim. Brandgelina's crime have finally caught up on them, they are over, but still together to save face, for the children, but living apart and waitng for the appropriate time to call it quits. Brad never love angie but had lust for her for a while. Now, he can't even stand her and all that is left is for show and the brand they are selling. Good on Jen.

jburton71
325 points
jburton71 said:

AMEN!!!!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Means of voodoo". You crack me up.

<a href="/user/6150" title="View user profile.">Fashionsmashion</a>
300 points
Fashionsmashion said:

Way to go Jen, I love this woman. She has such class. Me on the other would have ripped that woman apart. Mangie better watch out Brad is already eyeing something else.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good for her for finally speaking up about it. Angelina has been shoveling this crap down her throat for years. Angelina seems to crave attention and to think she is all that. As for Jenn, after seeing those pics of Brad naked from years ago (not much there) and hearing about John Mayer, she is the one who is better off~!

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Angelina has been getting more and more graphic on her descriptions of when she and Brad fell in love in recent interviews. I think it was about time Jennifer said something. Like QUIT THAT! Only of course this lady used her head and put it very simply. She was after all married to him at the time Angelina has said they were very much in love. THAT has to hurt no matter WHO you are.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In the December issue of Vogue, Jennifer Aniston opens up about Angelina Jolie — and then some.

When first asked about Jolie, Aniston asked the reporter, Jonathan Van Meter, to turn off the tape recorder for a moment.

She did, however, want to go on the record about one thing: She said she was bothered that Jolie felt the need to recount a detailed timeline of exactly how she fell in love with Brad Pitt on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith. (Pitt was still married to Aniston at the time).

“There was stuff printed there that was definitely from a time when I was unaware that it was happening,” Aniston said. “I felt those details were a little inappropriate to discuss.”

Aniston then shook her head in disbelief.

“That stuff about how she couldn’t wait to get to work every day? That was really uncool,” Aniston said.

Anonymousxxx Anonymousxxx said:

All Holie did was show what a low-life she is by saying something like that. Now her kids will know for sure one day that daddy was married and sleeping around. Great way to bring up kids.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jennifer was the one who talked about the break up ( she went crying on Oprah not so long after the break up...) !!!! What Angelina said recently...well after3-4 years with Brad!!!! JENNIFER HAS TO MOVE ON!!!L.O.S.E.R!!! Maybe Brad was sick of her selfish person!! She always thought about her only (her career, her hair, her tan...) Brad fell in love with someone else. period. And that relationship last, they have children, they look in love. MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jburton71
325 points
jburton71 said:

You need to go back to Jared!

<a href="/user/6150" title="View user profile.">Fashionsmashion</a>
300 points
Fashionsmashion said:

Amen he is getting a bad name for his site. I don't even go over there anymore, they are nasty.

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